Guest 8732 Dear president our hp psa unit is not doing well pl do something?

sanjay ganeshji thanks now the shoutbox is opened on your guide. what happened to our promotions. now the pat case is over why this delay in the dpc. i expect the psa hq to keep in constant touch with members by writing a message atleast once in a week through this shoutbox.

NameAnonymous :D ACP? :D :D DPC? :mad: REVIEW DPC :confused: :wink: SO GAYA YE JAHAN,""""" :sigh:

Wow P M is I & B Minister now but what to do,nothing gonna change programmers fate?

Selfishman By the time our intra cadre ego clashes and doubts about each other TREX and PEx comes to an end, I hope we will achieve all our three demands. Long Live Programme Cadre's infighting.

Nam not only TREX and PEX the main ego clash is between the TREX and the PAs which will never end till air regime continues as cadre controlling authority. shame on us

Watchdog Make corrections, Mr. Nam . The clash is between TREXs and P.A.(T)s of Doordarshan recruited after 1984 . The reason is that P.A.(T)s are not ready to understand the "process and purpose" of their recruitment . They and their 'mentors' are trying to confuse everybody by equating themselves with pre-1984 P.A.s . Since cadre controlling aythority ,i.e. , AIR is not bending as per their wishes , they are cursing AIR HQ in desperation . Remember that after 1984 , TREX(Gen & Prod) recruited by SSC is the feeder post of programme cadre . In this RTI world no responsible authority be it AIR or DD will act in irresponsible manner .

NameAnonymous yes yes yes Pre 84 PAs are recruited accordingly while post 84 are recruited keeping the rules aside?

ganesh ACP case to be listed before division bench. Date to be announced later.

NameAnonymous Do not wait to strike till the iron is hot; but make it hot by striking. William B. Sprague If you do not hope, you will not find what is beyond your hopes. St. Clement of Alexandra ARE WE HOPING AGAINST HOPE?

suchbol Watchdog proves its selfishness. its not PAs mistake to confuse. All DD PAs on seeing this should not join the self centered air trexs and psa who are anti doordarshan and who kills the democracy by continuously deleting only PAs comments on this site.

Selfishman Ok. Ok. PA(T)s recruited after 1984, what they are doing till 2005? Let them come out openly and tell all, what made them come out of DPPA and join PSA? What assurances were given and by whom? If they are misled by some people and joined PSA, TREXs are not responsible. If they think they are right in fighting for what they feel their right and then TREXs also have their own rights to protect. I dont think TREXs will remain forever complacent and keep quite, while their rights are frittered away by somebody sitting at the top. Now, they have woken up. They will not be same old TREXs who have done all the toiling for the Association and expected nothing in return. It is natural justice that PSA should stand for the rights of TREXs who have been its basement, pillars and now the top.

Watchdog Cool down Suchbol . See to reason , if you are P.A.(T) . We allowed you to enter our drawing room in true spirit of a good host . Now you are willing to enter our bedrooms . How can TREXs be it from AIR or DD tolerate all this .

Hullabol P.A.(T)s are actually P.A.(Animation) , P.A.(Photography) , P.A.(Set Erection) , P.A.(Photography).............. But under DD Programme (Technical) Recruitment Rule 1984 the requisite qualification is only "Graduate in any discipline" . One can't understand the logic behind recruiting these specialist without any special qualification and skill . The real fact is that when DD mafias saw that recruitment to the subordinate posts is being done through SSC , they evolved a formula to carry forward their scandalous designs . The next step should be to challenge this recruitment rule itself which has given right to recruit specialists without any special skill/qualifications .

suchbol Dhost kuch dd manual me theka apco such malum hai. dd pa asst producerka kam kartha hai. aur trex ka duty me kuch theko bai. dd trex sub duty room me logging kartha hari aur production me unka kuch kaam nai tha. apco angleshi me kuch padega dd manual me theko fir bath karo. dd recruitment rule me graduation aur film institute aur experience ka rule hai. ye apco samja nai kya? dd me trex ka kam kuch nai bai. hum apna air me kam nai theka

Wow Hulla suchbol aur whatever whatever qualification the recruitment should have been done by some constitutional authorities formed by parliament of India like UPSC,SSC otherwise persons locally recruited by Directors Etc are uncontitutional/illegal MIND IT NO COURT OR CONTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY CAN JUTIFY IT !

Wow Dear friends I think Trexs need a seprate association to fight all kinds of hindrances contact cliffer@indiatimes .com

suchbol ithna trex psa ke sath hai aur pas ka kon hai. air me jatha stations aur aathmi kam karange hum apca kam me comments nai theya aur thum pura air aathmi apca kaam nai thekenge thumara pas pura dd ka posts me hai. apca ek dg hai aur humco ek dg hai. fir kyon bai thumara dg humco cadre control huva. trexka alak association jarur nai banayenge kyon malum ? thumara pas majority nai. isleye psa ka pakkadonge ithna kam karange. DD directors ka pa recruitment me apca trexka bath nai theya. sub directors air wala hai. samaj bai. thum trex dd nai avunga aur dd ka pa air nai avunga dhonoka kaam alak alak hai bai. chodtho.

sinha pa selfishman u r telling trexs not responsible for pa s joining psa. but go and ask all your presidents, gs, who came begging to all dd kendras to make all dd pas and promotees members of association ? you dont have the guts to rename the psa association exclusively for air because you know dd association will become more powerful than you. you trexs are holding the association for your benefits only. you are crictising about pas. v r not provocating you. dont make unwanted comments about the cadre and recruitment in this forum. r v willbe left with no option to send the association and website and trexs a legal notice and all the contents are already refered to cyber crime as the opinions are against certain members which is against the indian constitution article 14 and 16. lets stop with this and let the department and law do its functions.

satya brat mathura Hum apas main ladte rahege aur barbad hote rahege. yahi hamara hsra hai. administratio is bat ko janta hai ki hum ek ho nahi sakte to fhir inko jase chae maro peto sab kuch sahege.ek din esa ayaga ki air dd main prog cadre hoga hi nahi. agar hum programmaer hai to ekta ka programme banao tabhi jinda bach sakte hai.

NameAnonymous Please visit www.Gconnect.in where all 5000-5500-6500 emloyees,defence officers are venting their ire towards IAS there is no cyber crime people total democracy to express your views and one has guts to take criticism?By the way shoutbox of Gconnect will change the mood of these TREXs AND PAs for A while?

NameAnonymous WHERE IS ACP of PEXs CASE IN DELHI HIGH COURT GONE?

NameAnonymous http://www.navodaya.nic.in/welcome%20sbs.htm PLEASE GO THROUGH THIS LINK AND BE SHOCKED EVEN PRIMARY TEACHER GETTING FIXED IN GP OF 4600/- Hey Trex Pex.PA ye tune AIR/DD mein aa kar kya kiya RE.............................................

Name SKLALJHALAWAR yahan kuch nahin hone wala hai bhaisahab.psa mein muhladauwal ke siwa kuch bhi nahi hai.abhi nahi samhle to phir kab samhlenge sirjee.

anonymous First let us stop fighting among ourselves and fight dte let us not do extra work ie the work of vacant posts to start with. Our SDs should stop crawling when asked to bend and let PSA stand by SDs with spines

Wow Everybody loses its SPINE after 15 yrs of service,most of the SDs are on verge of retirement calculating their Hefty pension who cares for Trexs and Pas

Name Rajiw Any information regarding ACP case ?

Wow ACP NOT FOR PROGRAMMERS WHO ARE FIGHTING AMONGTHEMSELVES WHILE babus,stenos enjoying the benefits ACP!

Hullabol All non-cadre post holders like P.A.(T) , FM , Graphic Artist , Tabla & Sarangi players etc. are not even entitled to shout at AIR HQ which is answerable and responsible to cadre posts only . Shouting out of illogical ambitions nursed by different non-cadre post is not tenable . Hold this . Ask your "patrons" to think logically .

Watchdog Do Suchbol and Sinha , P.A. - type people think that if DD becomes the cadre controlling authority , all their problems will be solved ? Friends , you are grossly mistaken . Hullabol has written rightly that cadre controlling authority will take care of cadre posts only . As for P.A.s , pre-1984 P.A.s are only under programme cadre . Post-1984 P.A.(T)s are not cadre post holders . In this RTI era everything can be known through competent authority . Therefore , even DD can't consider P.A.(T)s while working over cadre issues otherwise it will open a dangerous trend and Graphic Artists , Video Editors etc , also recruited under the same recruitment rule will start shouting for their inclusion in the cadre . Thus , see to reason and cool down .

Wow Administration people do not require any extra efforts to kill programmers they will die their own,ha-ha-ha-ha-ha only hope pray to God,ishwar,wahe guru,allaha may be I am sounding old fashioned but no body can save Trexs from jillat bhari Zindagi as they requires DPC badly to come out of the shackles of shift duty etc. All other cadres like Pas,Pexs,bllaha-ballah enjoying there life ,no need to sit on shift duty kaam karna karo na karo apni pay lo 5days office aao aur jao,Trex sala 6 day agar kaam nahin karta to shift pe to rehta hai,leading a dogs life no ACP no policy to bring out senior Trexs out of the shackles of logging/shift!NO COPARISONS PLEASE !

sinha pa the cadre controlling was only with dg dd and only after air intrursion all changed to miserable. shame on neighbour ruling the next door and justify it too. quit dd and then see things set right automatically. air dg and dd dg have clearly submitted in the highcourt counter that there is no such post of PA(T) and TREXs are misguiding. find it posted in this shout box also

sinha pa T Arunan & others Chennai HC 22530 DG AIR affidavit submitted on 13.03.2007 page no 6 para 11 11. It is respectfully submitted that respondents 1 to 27 are much seniors to the petitioners in the feeder category for promotion to the post of PEX. It is respectfully submitted that there is no separate post of Production Assistants (Technical) as claimed by the petitioners in their affidavit and hence the contention that the Rules do not accommodate those Production Assistants (Technical) oas a Feeder Category and is non-est, does not at all arise. Someone has doubt better get the original papers from arunan from chennai

Wow Na DPC HOGI NA ACP MILEGI BUS EK DUSRE KO RULE DIKHAO LARTE RAHO KEEP ON FIGHTING.....crabs!

Hullabol Dear Sinha , Arunan affidavit is not a Govt. of India affidavit , if you are true . Post-1984 P.A.s are called P.A.(T)s because they have been recruited under DD Programme(Technical)Services Recruitment Rule and to differentiate them from Pre-1984 P.A.s and post-1984 P.A.s . In fact , in the beginning their designation was also written as P.A.(T) but gradually it was left , may be overlooked , as "Gen. & Prod." is generally left while writing about TREXs . This DD recruitment rule does not envisage any cadre/promotional channel for posts recruited under it . This recruitment was made to facilitate entry of job specific skilled personnel (God knows how many of them possess valid skill ). It was just like recruitment of doctors and engineers in banks where these people can't become even Branch Managers . The fact is that , as of now , P.A.s (Post-1984), FMs , Graphic Artists , Video Editors etc. recruited under the said DD recruitment rule are not within the cadre . You people are willing to enter the cadre knowing that all cadre posts are recruited through SSC only (Subordinate posts ) . As far as possessing document is concerned , now a days every information/document can be gathered by anybody .

T Rex Yeh kahaan aa gaye hum............

Wow Hindustan sarkar ke sabse Gande department mein aa gaye hum wo bhi written or interview dene ke baad aye phir bhi Gadhe Ghore sab barabar ho gaye sanam!ye kahan aa gaye hum.....

sinha pa hi hullabol first understand that it is the affidavit filed by the director general all india radio on behalf of ministry of i & b in reply to the the arunan high court case and it is not arunan affidavit as u hav quoted. having more than 1600 pex posts in all india radio pa s dont understand y u people are after the odd 390 posts in doordarshan which were earlier producer posts and now retermed as pexs. live and let live dont run for others food and sabotage co human beings. u tease that god knows how many pas are skilled. be faithful to ur heart and tell how many trexs are qualified for video industry. this will never end till humanatarian justified truth strikes ones heart. no promotions or solutions to any one till end. cases after cases. no dpcs. no decisions. its a chain. Na DPC HOGI NA ACP MILEGI BUS EK DUSRE KO RULE DIKHAO LARTE RAHO KEEP ON FIGHTING.....crabs! wows statement will remain true for ever

Selfishman Sinha ji what is ur real name? whenever you speak I hear Money King's voice.Kindly inform us whether TREX and PEX working in DD Kendras are producing any Programmes? If I believe your word, only PAs like you are the sole producers.

sinha pa hi selfish this is pankaj kumar sinha pa from ddk kolkata now u reveal me ur real name and place

Wow Ye kahan aa gaye hum...National level ka written test uske baad board ka interview,ye kahan aa gaye hum,...uske baad gadhe ghore sab barobar ho gaye sanam,ye kahan aa gaye hum,...6-6 din shift mein baithe hai 15-15 saal se koi aata hai 4-5 din kya produce krta hai hawa ya pani.ye kahan aa gaye hum....

AKS , PEX I am working in Doordarshan for years as a PEX . I started watching this space from Sept-Oct , 08 . Today , I could not resist myself from writing in this popular space . First , P.A.s , P.A.(T) or whatever are undoubtedly very imp in DD . Secondly , TREX(G&P) though very few in no. in DD are also very imp. I have produced many good TV programmes with TREX(G&P) . Therefore , the contention in some minds that TREXs in DD are not producing progs may please be removed . TREX(G&P)s are very good learners . They have also learnt TV production same as directly locally recruited P.A.s have . Thirdly , I have talked with so called P.A.(T)s at different Kendras during my postings . They are very much clear that they are not within the cadre now but they definitely aspire to enter the cadre with TREXs . Fourthly , there is a general attitude amongst programme members in DD that rules can easily be moulded in DD to suit the interest of a group or individual . Rules have often been distorted/moulded by vested interests with active involvement of the management during the years . Therefore , everybody wishes to have more in DD irrespective of his/her position and entitlement . Last but the most imp , if the PSA leadership and DD/AIR/PB management give clear indication by their actions that "only and only relevant rules will be adhered in all aspects without any malafide intention"-- 90 p.c. of the problems will be gone . Unfortunately , this has not happened in the past and therefore so many elements have started shouting for the share of the cake which is not actually theirs .

shouter Sinha the PEX posts total number is 1561 out of which sacntioned for AIR 1171 and for DD it is 378. This is a approximate number.

Dr. Rajesh TREX(G&P) Respected Shri AKS , PEX . Sir , I wish to tender my sincere thanks for being generous towards TREXs working in DD . I am also one of them working in DD since 1994 . Some of my friends in this column have written that TREXs recruited through SSC in DD don’t produce programmes or are not even capable of producing TV programmes . Here I would like to submit humbly that I have been planning and producing programmes from day one of my career in DD . With the grace of God , there are two DG , DD appreciation letters to my credit for my production efforts . Having said that , may I know from my friends Sinha Jee , Hullabol Jee , Suchbol Jee , Watchdog Jee and others—What is the relationship between the actual work done by a post holder and his/her being in the cadre and being considered for promotion ? If a post is within the cadre he/she will be considered during DPC , if not no consideration .Why this argument and bad-mouthing one another . This may please be avoided . Remember the words of AKS , PEX—“ Go by rules , don’t misinterpret or distort it with malafide intention—90 % of the problems will be over .”

Door ka ... What Sinha has uttered clearly reflect his ulterior motive and not of entire DD. It also clearly indicates that a person like him is not at all fit to serve in the organisation like ours. In this world, it is generally the greatest fool that consider itself as most intelligent.

sinha pa AKS PEX reveal your full name and dd kendra you are posted. Also give us names of those PAs & their dd kendras where u interacted. lets get it clarified and act accordingly.

Name unknown Shout!dekhiye aapas main ladai jhagda karke nothing will happen aap logo ko pata hona chahiye ki yeh jo top brases hai woh log yahi chahte hai ki ladai ho aapas main so thoda sa dheeraj rakho god sab achha karenge theek hia dont fight otherwise hum aur bikhar jayenge

Kamlesh Mishra Hi buddies ! There is a positive sign in the direction of abollishing of anarchy prevailing in the issue of Seniority List of Tr.Exes. See Sat. Msg. dated 19.11.2008 on AIRNET reg. the information sought by the Dte. in respect of Yearwise advertisements of recruitments of Tr.Exes. in various cadres.This may cause `KAHIN KHUSHI, KAHIN GUM', but the positive aspect is that it will make our Seniority List as per rules. So, Please be active, go through the Circular, provide whatever documents you have to your Zonal Head.This will make our future a lil smooth....! All The Best !!!

sanjay yes kamlesh all trexs should check out the satellite message it says all station heads to send details of yearwise recruitment, employment news in papers and no of trexs and erstwhile staff artist recruited to be sent to hq. is there any possibility that PATs recruited after 1986 included in this.

sss PEX AKS working in DD is worried only about few trexs in DD and not bothered about majority of PAs supporting them in production neither do affirm his status towards PAs of DD. PEX AKS u should be in AIR not in DD.

sailtra ji acha bol isa pexka jahag doordarshan nahi. aap doordarshan me kaam karnavale sath so p a s ko sintha math aur hasi trex co ithna sintha hai. thumara thil me kya hai humco samajkaya bai. thum dd me kaam karange aur viswash poora ulta hai.

Wow Latest figures Air can run through its revenue while DD can't even run its 2 centres through its earnings then who is self reliant and most sought after as per l latest information air-dd has to go BSNL way after the SC FINALLY DECIDES ITS FATE AND DECIDES TO EARN THROUGH ITS RESOURCES,WHEN IT WILL BECOME REALITY ALL THE RATS WILL GO INTO HIBERNATION!

Nam apca naya figures isa hai kyon air dd ke pas aayega aur air aathmi kyon dd post keliye pasandh huva. rats hum nai air wala dd ke andher aanewale isa bolenge.wow thumko thusra image haiye kya. air wala chalo bagar dd se. fir bath karo apca alak chalraha hai aur dd alak chal raha hai. hum dd me pachas kendra hai aur thumara sath theen so stations. thil haiye kya poora air wala air aur dd alak alak karo fir theko. teek wow.

rajesh wow you need not talk on behalf of air anymore. u create unnecessary enimity and misunderstanding between air and dd prog staff and precipitate things still worst. betterpeople like wow who are inside our air and creates get lost and never come to this web just to create scenes and problems. true air people are not against any particular cadre or dd. let law and rules take its course. chamchas and problem creaters should not be entertained here. wows opinion is not the reflection of views of all TREXs of air. we are dignified direct recruits who know to respect the co cadres.

AKS , PEX Sinha , why are you interested in my name and my kendra ? The text and tenor of your message shows that you are willing to issue memo and seek explanation for my words in this box . I used a few good words for TREXs and you got agitated . Now listen , I have been recruited through UPSC and will not like any person recruited through other channels be equated to me . Similarly TREXs perhaps don't want this equality with locally recruited P.A.s and I share their feelings and their resentment can be understood . But I want to repeat that P.A.s in DD play very significant role so also other members of TV creative team like Cameraman , F/V Editor , FM , Graphic Artist etc . But can this be a reason for being considered for entry into the programme feeder cadre ? It is food for thought for Sinha and others . By the way I ventured to enter this box which seems to be very sensitive . Better to keep mum . Bye bye.......good luck all .

anonymous Maybe we should check how many air posts are with DD and then we will know whether DD depends on air posts or air prog staff depend on DD posts.

Wow Mr rajesh reality bites are really hard to digest I am the first who wrote famous indian crab story on shout box to integrate all the cadres if you have wand(jadu ki charri ) to unite these self centred crabs then go ahead but I will keep on appearing on my own way *cliffer@indiatimes.com

NameMadhukar Shout!Stop quarrelling AIR good DD good.Brothers we are all on the same boat which has got umpteen leaks.We boatmen are behaving like Somali pirates hell bent to sink.Please set aside differences and unite for a common objective Promotion,ACP et al.Leaders be HONEST and get the ACTUAL seniority list prepared as per rules and move ahead.Also post the seniority list on PSA website for references and correction if any required.BUSS KARO AAGE BADHOW.Amen

NameAnonymous Go to the people. Learn from them. Live with them. Start with what they know. Build with what they have. The best of leaders when the job is done, when the task is accomplished,the people will say we have done it ourselves :LAO TAZU But Mr.President We will not Say That Artee site is adorning 9th meeting of Cadre review ;on the other side we dont have any information about cadre review do the Pexs and Trexs are under its preview or not? YOU YOUR SELF POSTED ON THIS SHOUT BOX THAT FINAL HEARING OF ACP FOR PEXs IS ON 12th NOVEMBER BUT NO INFORMATION FROM YOUR SIDE PLEASE ENLIGHTEN THE COMMRADEs ABOUT LATEST HAPPENNing Mr.PRESIDENT,only crab story of wow-chau bol-shol sinha-ginnah is going on no ooficial announcements from your side?

sinha pa mr AKS you should be one among the followings AKSINHA PEX994 or AK SABADHIKARI PEX1084 or AKSRIVATSAVA PEX1146 or AKSINHA PEX1146 or AKSAHAYA PEX1325 or AKSINGH PEX1375 OR AKSRIVATSAVA PEX1392 Now Production Assistants are after you and you will be revealed soon if you are not willing to exhibit ur identity. Just commenting on PAs after getting help from them u are not for dd.

sinha pa we forgot to tell u this AKS u r a promotee and not a upsc as quoted by u

NARENDRA PATNAIK RATHER THAN INCITING THE EXPECTATIONS OF INCUMBENTS THE DEPARTMENT SHOUD MAKE IT CLEAR THAT NO PROMOTIONS SHALL BE GIVEN. AT LEAST THAT WAY A LOT OF FRUSTRATION IN THE CADRES CAUSED BY THE FEELING OF EXPECTATIONS BEING NOT MET, WOULD BE MINIMISED. RATHER THAN PLAYING A GAME OF NUMBERS BY WAY OF PUBLISHING A NEW SENIORITY LIST EACH TIME IT SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON ACP. WITH OR WITHOUT PROMOTION WHO EVER HAS REAPED THE PLEASURES OF WORK ALWAYS GETS THE SAME - NO MATTER SOME ONE HEARS HIM OR NOT.

Wow Mr Patnaiks proposals are really worth pursuing but no body is concentrating on ACP EVERYBODY AFTER DPC WHICH WILL NEVER HAPPEN ,rather concentrate on Acp and Cadre review put Trexs after ACP IN GAZZ.Gr B then who will demand DPC?