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Anonymous Another thing wow it is our own heads of stations who let us down by listening to whatever nonsense the admin tell them. Either they believe them or they are idiots. But another possibility is that they may be in the last few months to retiring. In these situations the central PSA should be informed and they should also help us. Our station heads can be tamed by using 'D' word :wink:
kumar as per the mannual of service,the SD,DDG,and DG giving orders to the AOs etc for action. Nowhere these clerical staff has power to ve discrimination. First it must be clear to the Programme staff.
Wow Thanks for your support & guidence dear freinds,I was little perturbed but its PSA that must assert & tell ministry(by pass ceo) that Programmers are working against all odds.Moreover Shun Sen committee clearly mentioned in its report that engnn.staff is 36 times more what is required by AIR/DD but recruitment of EAs still going on while programme side is facing critical shortage of manpower,this report can be used positively for putting pressure on MIB FOR MAKING RECRUITMENT ON PROG SIDE,(REPORT CAN BE SEEN ON mib.nic.in,present office bearers of Psa must go through it and raise parliament quiosten in oct session)
Anonymous Our recruitment is stalled because of SSC's refusal. EAs are recruited by a separate agency. It seems the directorate wants to use the same agency to recruit new prog staff also. But there is a fear that it will lead to more leverage in engg's hands. Catch22 situation here. Maybe we can pressure MIB to recruit through SSC itself. It will avoid PA(T)s problem also.
Wow You are wrong sir SSC(NER) has advertised for 30-32 trexs 2-3 months back I will give u exact date of employment news later on?
Ganesh wow is right anonymous but the recruitment is for backlog vacancies only. Hopefully it will be extended to new recruitment also. UPSC is also about to help in DPC. Nowhere in any govt order reg VIpc prog people are excluded. The rumour is another one of those created by vested interests. Moreover you can go through RN msg at 7.50pm on 4.9.08 which also doesn't exclude prog staff.
Ganesh Whenever I come online to our site I fondly open our Forum only to be disappointed. Such a nice discussion here. But should have been in the forum. This shout box can be viewed fully by clicking on the 'view all' button at the bottom and I have also made this to show top 30 msgs as in the other shout box. Probably in a few days time I will transfer the shouts here to our archives except for the top 30 msgs for future reference.
Wow As I promised employment news 31 May -6 june 2008 advertisement no.02/2008-NER closing dt was 30 june 2008 SSC(ner) this advt was not for backlog vacancies but Gen/obc/st/sc every cat included in it!
Ganesh wow thanks this is a great news.
Ganesh wow I checked and found that this is done in border areas as a special case. Otherwise only backlog vacancies.
Name Anonymous Ganesh ji progrmmers ke liye pura bharat border area ban gaya hai?
Name Anonymous DG s order on imlimentatio of sixth pay commission on ARTEE site?
Name balu Shout! president ! you are wastig time by posting useless letters.pl stop it and do some concrete job.now that the pay commission is reality, where are these prog people lagging in the same old scales? any way you cant get promotions for us .atleast get abetter pay!
Name Anonymous yes balu ji ACP ACP ACP ACP ACP ACP ACP ACP ACP ACP ................... AND ACP?
Name Anonymous On the information that PB Management were planning to take employees joining after 1997, into the told of PB by depriving them the benefit of 6th CPC from the Govt. NFADE approached CEO with the letter attached below. CEO in the meeting confirmed that it was proposed for the agenda for the PB Board meeting scheduled for tomorrow (10/9/08). But he assured us, that this will not be in the agenda and assured that entire employees of AIR/DD, irrespective of their date of joining will be given the benefits of 6th CPC report, as central Govt. employees.
Anonymous new what happened to ACP for TREXs and PEXs
sailtraho thiruvandhapuram case ko kya ho raha hai ? kuch bolona ?
T Rex Programme people please be convinced that a little effort can make sure your place in the whole system.Spare a while and a thought of who you should be and get everybody to understand the issues facing the programme fraternity.Through proper representations and persistence using all the admn. tools MANY THINGS CAN BE ACHIEVED. LET THE MOMENTUM BEGIN from every small unit.Running a station w/o duty officers is hazardous to our system of broadcasting but we still do not mind and run the show.Who objects? Cant we imagine ,who gets away with insufficient reporting & monitoring ? When the root rots how long can the top flourish and vice versa?
Anonymous new PSA General Secretary & President should communicate to members atleast once in a week. we all members are SHOUTing. NO Response from there. only ganeshji replies the true sincere founder and dedicated one. ganeshji make a room for psa office beares communication kuch karo yar. hame baguth tired huwa. kithne bar bath kiya. hama desh me communciation ithna karab huwa kiya?
Ganesh I had a revealation today. ARTEE has collective strength while PSA has collective weakness.
Wow Dear Ganesh ji does that mean comrades of PSA with collective strength may join ARTEE? Just browse their site how they have clarified their comrades about pay fixation today?
Ojk lACP sab ko milega EK Din. Tab Tak Ke Liye Intezar kijiyega. ilte hai break ke baad.
Namearunan please go to guest book for the latest on the Madras High Court Case filed by Transmission Executives
ganesh Friends To facilitate smooth implementation of VI PC recommendations at all stations copies of orders from DG, AIR & DG, DD have been uploaded in the Hot Spot/General link. Members can download and use the same in case of any problems at the local level and inform the same to the central unit immediately for necessary guidance. The copies are also available from the link in the Registration page.
T Rex Arunan could u please explain it in a layman's language? What should be the next course of action,from the trexes' and ad-hoc pexes' side? Before 9th January 2009 ( look how far we travelled ) what are the specific issues to be addressed to bring the case to a winning end ? What should we be doing in...... Lifting up the sagging morale of trexes , Throwing away the burden of ad-hocism, Graceful exit from programming professionally and pooling knowledge & resources to achieve what is rightful !

Ganesh Exactly Trex. It is rather confusing. But from what I heard the judgment says that PA(T)s should be included in our stream ONLY AFTER a policy decision is made in this


regard and their RRs amended suitably. PSA should see to it that such a decision is not made and even if it is made the existing trexs rights are not affected.
Ganesh Once again I appeal to all members to use the forum which has better facility to have a discussion. Maybe I should hide the shout box :sigh:
Wow Ganesh ji please don't hide shout box ,be cool man ,let the programmers vent their views through this box,forums disscussion link is cubersome,shout box deals with everykind of matter rather we all are striving for betterment of our cadre?so Ganesh ji don't implement any anti-programmer policy?
PSA Our office refused to give us identity card of govt of India. But all the office vehicle are running with Govt of India written boldly in front and back. Could some one throw light on this double rule of the department ?
Ganesh From what I heard in Bangalore ID cards with both GOI & PB names and logs are being issued in Karnataka & Delhi which conforms to existing rules. Dear wow, I am harping on discussions in forum as posts can be made under different topics which will make it easy to follow a discussion thread. Of course, I am not going to hide the shout box.
Ganesh Pex IC case arguments postponed to 01.10.2008. Stay continues till then.
Name vinod Shout! Mr.President, protest strongly against the step-motherly attitude towards prog. staff in consituting cadre review committee. Include this as the latest item in our demands.
Name Anonymous Don't ENJOY THE STAY DO SOMETHING CONCRETE,PRESSURISE FOR CADRE REVIEW COMMITTEE ALSO?
Anonymous new where is the judgment why the phrases 'i heard' 'may be' 'said so' please donot throw pressure on poor trexs who are blindly following arunan & others. what policy ? who made ? who agreed and acknowledged ? whats our psa's role ? better we will go thru the order ourselves. why dont u uplink the court order?
Ganesh I will upload the court order soon as i get it.
Name optimist Shout! I think all of us parent cadres generally and trexs in perticular should thank ARUNAN and all our colleagues including T.MOHAN and P.BALAN for this forthright and moral victory. Please friends do not try to discourage the doers by your cynical words. Let us hope that the policy decision by the directorate is as per existing rules.I would like to thank all the colleagues involved in the case on behalf of all the trexs.
Xxx Shout!September 10, 2008 - 08:56 PM TREX1 FOR KIND INFORMATION On 9.9.2008, The High Court of Madras disposed of W.P.No.22530 of 2006 filed by T.Arunan and S.Annamalai Pandian by modifying the Order of Chennai CAT Bench in O.A.No.213 of 2005. The High Court of Madras has observed that the Tribunal has not pronounced anything on the merits of this case in O.A.No.213 of 2005. The letter dated 25.11.2005 presented by DD(Admn), DG, Doordarshan before the Tribunal with the Background Note was noticed by the High Court and it is found that a Policy Decision is being taken by the Department. The High Court of Madras also noted the contention of the Department to the effect that the O.A. was allowed as prayed for and found that it was factually not so. In this back ground, the O,A. as well as the W.P. is closed leaving it open to any party aggrieved by the Policy Decision, if any taken by the Department, to challenge the same in appropriate legal proceedings. The High Court has further observed the proposed Policy decision may be taken preferably within 4 months.
Anonymous new there is a dot in the dd logo. is the PA(T)s. ganeshji please get it wiped off. irritates our eyes
ganesh Hi An you got good eye sight. I will check it.
Sanjay UPSC pexs who haven't got step-up till now please inform me or GS immediately. Matter urgent. Sanjay.
Name GURVINDER WHAT IS PROGRESS ABOUT PAU FIXATION OF TREX AND PEXS
Name V B Joshi PEX Shout!What is the progress for the pramotions in the cadre of Pexs to JTS ? Mr Rajkamal, DDG(A) has assuredus in the month of june that u will get some yhing after one month or so.
Vinod will the Trex/Pex get their pay fixed, after taking into account ACP as per 6th PC or shall we again fight it out in the court?
Wow Vinod ji vith pay commissions ACP SCHEME WILL NOT BE EXTENDED TO PROGRAMME PEOPLE AS ITS ONLY THE PROGRAMME CADRE WHICH IS LEFT ASIDE FOR CADRE REVIEW DO YOU KNOW EVEN ADM,ENGNN & NEWS STAFF ARE UNDER THE PROCESS OF CADRE REVIEW AFTER THAT THEY WILL BE GIVEN ACP AND OTHER BENEFITS,NOW OUR DG IS A PROGRAMMER WILL THE PSA WILL BE ABLE TO GET CONSTITUTE A COMMITTE FOR CADRE REVIEW OF PROGRAMMERS(FIRST TASK IT WILL BIG SIGN/INDICATION/HIS LOVE FOR PROGRAMMER CADRE)
Anonymous Transport is being looked after by admin as per arrangements made some years back on a temporary basis to see how the arrangement works. Does any one know about the status of that. Has it been made pucca. But even now transport is being looked after by prog people at many places and by trexs after office hours as per manual. Why is manual followed when it suits admin? It is a extra burden for trexs already 1/3rd of their strength just so that our station heads can maintain cordial relationship with admin.
Wow Dear shouters use shout box for current issues like implementation of 6th pay commission with ACPS,DPC,CADRE REVIEW ETC,DON'T waste time in irrelevant issues like transport etc
Wow Ganesh ji great colors in shout box u made the shouting colourful!
Wow Black day/great humiliation to pexs/trexs/eas/aes alike lot of Aos/babus asking for clarification regarding,how to fix these cadres ?this is causing serious condition on the station,A JOINT CALL FOR STRIKE IS REQUIRED?
Ganesh Wow which station?
Wow Jallandhar and many more?

wah waH dear friends psa is fooling inthe new list the cousin brothers of old team are acting oversmart so lets all trexes form a seperate associatio andlet these selfish people enjoy what good has this new team achieved till today only boasting and fooling

wah waH dear friends psa is fooling inthe new list the cousin brothers of old team are acting oversmart so lets all trexes form a seperate associatio andlet these selfish people enjoy what good has this new team achieved till today only boasting and fooling

Wow Yes wah-wah you are right,its need of the hour,let us come out of hibernation write to me at cliffer@indiatimes.com

vinod kumar Dear friends,I am putting forward a few questions ...ANSWER in " YES " or "NO" 1.We the TREXs are the most talented lot of 'sufferers" in this organisation. 2.we suffered because we became " FOLLOWERS" of bad leadership 3.like our engineers' friends, we too would have climbed up in this organisation if this draconian concept of the recruitment holiday was not there. 4.seniority list has many anomalies simply because of the indifferent attitude of few of our friends from directorate/psa.

T Rex Vinod ! 1 ) Yes,Yes,Yes. 2) Yes 3 ) No 4 ) No Howzzat ! Pass ya Fail ?


T Rex Wow is putting us on track.September month ! rack your brains and understand CPC .Ganesh Ji, Please make a forum topic so that we can see where we are.

T Rex Between the "New" and the "Optimist " Thank God there is Ganesh. Buck Up Ganesh , thats the spirit. As the saying goes... Once bitten , Twice shy

Wow Blasts at Delhi who cares if this kind of cowardly and henious acts catres as masala for greedy low grade news channels but this developing country has open media without any concrete media policy or regulator/can beurocrats without any experience in media can regulate?Its not us who are sufferring due to stepmotherly treatment to Air/dd but general public is also paying the price by watching paid superstitious programming and rumours,but netas love to see private channels mikes on their face,God save this country?

ganesh The topic CPC is under General category in the forum. I am happy that T rex asked for it. But our members can just register and start a new topic under any appropriate category. Just log in and reply or post a new topic. It is not so cumbersome as wow thinks.

xxx K Jyothish Kumar Inspiring and highly encouraging effort.The new G.S of PSA,his teammates and d Pres.have done something really wonderful and the entire credit is due to them.Keep it up and we people have to strengthen their hands to realise our goal. K.Jyothish kumar,PB Mktg Divn.TVM

rosan aur naya GS kuch nai bath kiya. ithna chumcha kiyon jyothish ? purana team ka mamla naiye kya?

Anonymous If the ARTEE goes on strike they can stop the transmission. If the ADASA goes on strike they can give headaches to prog staff and engg staff after some time. But if PSA goes on strike who will suffer?! Let us play to our strength. Disobedience movement is better than going on strike. When you are not strong enough to hurt work to rule is the best option. But here again will surface our own magnanimous workers who will shoulder the burden and see that nothing suffers. Unless SDs become disciplined foot soldiers of PSA strike will not work. The station heads use their head only when something affects them personally rather than affecting the station. This pampering of admin staff by station heads should first go.

Name gulshan Vinod ji the easiest thing is to blame everybody around us and escape responsibility. Rather than blaming please do write a letter with details to the concerned persons orcall them and make known your views on specific points.Writing a detailed letter only requires your time and patience and if you have already written one do put it in the guest book and then ask for a response from the central unit and also from your namesake who is the Delhi state secretary.

ganesh See this is the problem with posting responses here. Now we have to search for the reason for gulshan's response to vinod.

Wow Anonymous we programmers are lagging behind specially in the use of computers and its use in the broadcasting(Ganesh I will also open the title in the forum for disscussion on it) if we are versed with the use of computers/softwares u don't need any babu and a few hardware people on contract basis,its the era of webcasting even a single person is running their own station from a room in westren countries,but in Indian conditions interaction with masses is required (if govt wants real flag ship) then programmers are most important than engineers and babus,so update yourself I am posting this on shout box through my mobile phone even using my mobile for OB recording in emergency which our engnn counterparts can't imagine? Everything depends upon your techknowledgeeeeeee.....

Wow All major projects/purchase of machinery/equipment via engnn wing which leads to kickbacks(commission is paid to higher up)thats why they are being still recruited despite ban in central govt while its corporation!

T Rex Yes, Anonymous, Wow, Wahwah have raised pertinent points related to the daily work of prog. persnl. Equipment, Software, Transport, Admn matters....everything revolves around Programmes as per manual. So work to rule is the need of the day. How to bring it about requires sharpness and knowledge of issues particular to each station or situation . Overall a shoddy work is in place at present due to lack of foresight on the part of stess faced by all wings.What to do.....that is a rupees crore question ! We are facing a devastation worse than that caused by Katrina or Ike. Somewhat similar to recent attacks on the hapless public. The attacker being insiders and the victims..." knowledgable programmers". No respite other than posing threats and resorting to litigations with no sign of return to normalcy ....or...situation under control and stable.But let us dream and work for a new tomorrow with mutual understanding, forgiving our brother when he falls, lending a hand to the helpless.strengthening the hands that tirelessly works for the good of all. Otherwise lets blame ourselves and not the central unit - past and present.S

Anonymous Starting of new stations without sanctioning prog people should stop first. This helps only engg people as they can justify their existing strength in case someone says you are 32 times over staffed. Actually in this age of technology so many people are not needed. But the engg wing are not ready to go for micro technology because they cannot justify the need for 'helpers' in their wing who are required by them to carry around all those prehistoric mammoths(but we prog people are expected to carry them ourselves and we do that also). Maybe we should put our foot down and ask for helper to carry the OB equipment instead of doing it ourselves or asking our casual PAs to double up as helper also. That can be first work to rule. What do you say?

Wow Anonymous that will not help us rather we should justify ourselves with roving mike & tell the by air travellers/air conditioner officials + netas that its only the PROGRAMMER WHO INTERACTS WITH MASSES AND TELLS /POPULARISE GOVT SCHEMES,SO PLEASE KEEP PROGRAMMERS OF STATE OWNED MEDIA ie Air/DD HAPPY?

Anonymous Better still we can ask for engg help for any recording whether OB or studio. Citing that reason only they got 2000 basic in the first place! But at the same time we should not let them dictate us. We are the boss. Let us show some self-respect. But do our people in places which matter have it? We should not be let down by our own superiors. WILL THIS HAPPEN EVER?!!!!

Anonymous wow you are talking of some ideal situation or want to change the existing policy itself. I am talking about fighting within the existing realities. I agree we should be kept happy. But there is a saying 'even a child born after 10 years will get milk only if it cries'. You register your presence as well as your pain and protest.

Wow If state owned medias programmers will be happy govt progs will go to masses,they will be happy/understandable and may be vote for govt,but big question mark are we capable of changing the mandate by our programmes ,if yes,then convey this to MIB through PSA!
Anonymous Now that the election is coming we can refuse to record, edit & produce the talks of netas for the election broadcast.
ganesh Did any one notice the new poll in our pages. pl check it.
T Rex Anonymous, we are actually being dictated by wrong policies. The engg. sec. is still under staffed. i.e. 2 people for transmission( C/ R) + 1 EA for recording + 1 EA for dubbing or OB + 2 people for X'mitter. That makes it 6 for dayshift. 4 for morning( C/R + X'mitter) and 4 for night .Total 14 people for a day.Some other way has to be resorted to .Restructure our regulations , class/cadre distinctions , revised and uniform understanding vis-a-vis modern times. Innovate and proceed otherwise stick to your guns and don't budge, you will automatically be extinct .Remember what happened to the T Rex and the like.Refusing to record the Netas will speed up the process. Good luck ! AU REVOIR

Anonymous T Rex I hope you are not extinct. You are mouthing the same old arguments that has us on the mat. Why do you bother about others when your present itself is at stake? In one station where they were about to start a channel prog people refused to co-operate asking for new staff but the channel went on air because engg people co-operated saying that they will broadcast something as the new channel has already been announced! But the real reason is they were over staffed and wanted to justify their bloated numbers. Whenever new technology is about to be introduced who sabotages it? Why are there so many LPTs in this era of micro technology? It is only those who will be directly affected by reduction in their numbers. In a private production the producer is the boss. But here everyone else boss over the producer. The prog heads have 'satisfying the dte' as their only agenda. So the prog people have to fore go their self respect. The end result is programme suffers, air&dd loses name and programme people are blamed!


rosan artee aur humco kya sambandh hai kyon ithna bath
xxx rosanji ur r right. commenting about other counterparts is not a healthy issue. learn to solve our problems first and then start blablas. artee is a big setup. if they come across these discussion unwanted frictions may arise. psa hq should note this. ganeshji pl put a fullstop to this.
Wow Nothing against Artee/Adtea or our engnn counterparts rather we have to take their help for Implementation of 6th pay commission/subsequently ACP TO OUR CADRES ON THE LINE OF THEIRS/AS We are the PARASITES?
ganesh All of us have problems. Those who fight get solutions. We were like ostrich all these days. Now looking up we see how others have grown. Let us learn from the successful and grow. Anyway as i always request pl have these discussions in the forum. Also let us not bring our private thoughts to a public forum if it may affect harmony and cordial relationship.

Name Anonymous SIXth CPC - BE READY FOR ANYTHING. On reports from some stations about apprehension of non implementation of pay revision as per the notification of Ministry of Finance, ARTEE took up the matter with DG, AIR, Prasar Bharati and Ministry of I & B. We have cautioned the authorities that we will react strongly and go for immediate agitation, if the pay of our cadres are not revised on the basis of pay scales as on 01/01/2006, as notified by Ministry of Finance. It was assured by the authorities that the matter will be settled within this week. Members are called upon to be prepared for any lightning call from the central office. (a) Letter submitted to DG: AIR for clarifications. (b) Letter submitted to Prasar Bharati. Unit secretaries are requested to kindly submit a copy of the attached letter to respective Head of Office.

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