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ARCHITECTURAL LICENSING BOARD

Tel. No. (860) 713-6145

August 2, 2004

State of Connecticut

Department of Consumer Protection

Occupational & Professional Licensing Division

165 Capitol Avenue

Hartford, Connecticut 06106

The five hundred ninety fifth meeting of the Architectural Licensing Board, held on July 16, 2004, was called to order by Chairman Mr. S. Edward Jeter at 8:37 a.m. in Room No. 121 of the State Office Building, 165 Capitol Avenue, Hartford, Connecticut.



Present: Paul H. Bartlett Board Member

Carole W. Briggs Board Member

Robert B. Hurd Board Member

Edward Jeter Chairman/Board Member

Christopher Mazza Board Member

Robert M. Kuzmich License and

Applications

Specialist/Department

Of Consumer Protection

Steven J. Schwane Administrative Hearings

Attorney/Department of Consumer Protection

Vanessa Ramirez Legislative and
Administrative Advisor
Advisor/Department of Consumer Protection

Peter R. Huntsman Attorney General’s Office

Robert M. Kliment Architect



Michael F. Cusato A.R.E. Applicant
Note: The administrative functions of this Board are carried out by the Department of Consumer Protection, Occupational and Professional Licensing Division. For information, call Richard M. Hurlburt, Director, at (860) 713-6135.
1. Old Business
1A. Submission of the minutes of the May 21, 2004 meeting of the Board; for review and approval. The Board voted, unanimously, to approve the minutes as submitted. (Hurd/Bartlett) It is noted that Ms. Briggs abstained from the vote because she was not in attendance at the May 21, 2004 Board meeting.
1B. Continuation of discussion concerning the offering of services by out-of-state architects and/or architect corporations without first being registered and the policy of the NCARB (Model Law) on this issue. Mr. Schwane presented the Board with a draft of proposed legislation. A part of this material has been presented to the Board in the past and is now being included again by the Department in their package. The Board now reviewed the draft concerning changes to Section 20-290 of the General Statutes. Among these changes is language concerning use of the title of architect by individuals licensed out-of-state or by retirees from the practice. Other changes concern participation in design competitions by architects not licensed in Connecticut. Mr. Schwane noted that his language is based, in part, on NCARB’s Model Law.
Mr. Schwane asked the Board if they wish to consider the similar issue of architects in general offering services since this is also addressed in NCARB’s Model Law. It was his impression that only the design competition issue would be addressed at this point. He noted that the basic language is the same. Mr. Bartlett noted that the offering issue is more complicated and language addressing this needs to be carefully structured. The Board entered into significant discussion on exactly what entity is offering services. Mr. Hurd believes that the language as written is clear and states individuals only. They also discussed various scenarios of what defines the offering of services. All agreed that defining the offering of services is a very difficult call.
Ms. Briggs made it clear that she is not an advocate of changing the current law. She believes that the law as written protects the consumer and any changes in the same would create difficult situations for the Board to monitor and enforce. Mr. Jeter believes that the real harm comes to the consumer when the project commences and not in the offering of the services for the same. Ms. Briggs believes that any changes to the law would be creating an exception. She cited the recent example of the discussions the Board had with Bruce Bockstael and his interview process of architects for Public Works projects relative to the offering of architectural services.
Mr. Hurd cited some recent examples of local projects which proceeded in apparent violation of the architectural statutes relative to the offering of services. He noted that perhaps adoption of this proposed language would have allowed this work to proceed more appropriately and in accordance with a national standard. Ms. Briggs noted that from a consumer prospective, they would assume an architect is licensed before he/she offers their services. The consumer should not be placed in a “buyer beware” situation when it comes to hiring an architect and the law as written protects the consumer from this happening. Discussion focused on the enforcement issue and to that point Mr. Jeter noted that an unlicensed individual will be stopped when the building permit is filed for. Ms. Briggs stated that to wait to that point places the owner in a very difficult situation that could have been avoided entirely.
Mr. Bartlett noted that it is not that onerous to be licensed in Connecticut and it is not too much to ask an individual to get their license before they offer services. Mr. Jeter raised the issue of payment of back fees when an architect licensed in Connecticut reinstates their lapsed license relative to requiring that a license be obtained before offering services an then the potential job does not happen. The Board agreed that the law should be changed to allow for an inactive status and eliminate the cumulative payment of back fees.
After more discussion, Mr. Hurd motioned to accept the changes to Section 20-290. as written. The motion was seconded by Mr. Bartlett. Mr. Jeter proposed an amendment to this motion extending this proposed language to individual architects as well. Mr. Bartlett seconded Mr. Jeter’s amendment. After extensive discussion on this proposed change, the Board voted to not accept this amendment and the motion failed. (Mr. Bartlett and Mr. Jeter voted in favor. Ms. Briggs, Mr. Hurd, and Mr. Mazza voted not in favor.)
The Board now voted on the original motion made by Mr. Hurd to accept the language as written. Mr. Hurd s original motion carried and these changes were accepted. (Mr. Bartlett, Mr. Jeter, and Mr. Hurd voted in favor. Ms. Briggs and Mr. Mazza voted not in favor.)
The Board now discussed proposed changes to Regulation Section 20-289-10a(5) dealing with prototypical building documents. Mr. Schwane stated that this language illustrates two provisions. The first provision is a Connecticut architect reviewing work prepared by another Connecticut architect. The second provision deals with prototypical building documents. He explained that this proposed amendment stemmed from a specific case that and he and Mr. Bartlett are working on. Mr. Bartlett emphasized that the documents referenced in this language are always prepared by licensed architects although they may be licensed out-of-state. He also noted that most prototype building documents are very well detailed and thought out.
Ms. Briggs noted that this Board had previously dealt with this issue emphasizing that the Board, at that time, wanted to maintain a contemporaneous oversight by the project architect of any buildings that are to be built in this State. She now questions what has changed since that time that warrants these proposed changes. Mr. Jeter noted that the method of production of documents has changed dramatically. Mr. Bartlett stated that the real issue is that the current requirements are being “honored in the breach” everyday by major enterprises throughout the State. Ms. Briggs does not see this as a reason to lower regulatory standards.
Ms. Briggs again emphasized that this proposed language represents after the fact plan stamping and ignores the Board’s requirements for a contemporaneous oversight of prepared plans by the project architect. Mr. Bartlett argued that there is no substantive difference between integrating small details in a project versus integrating an entire set of prepared documents in terms of how the project architect manages this transition. He stated that by not including this language in current regulation is a glaring fault on the Board’s part.
Mr. Schwane clarified for the Board that these proposed changes are regulation changes and explained the path that they follow once the Board approves them. He noted, in particular, that the timetable for these changes is different than that for changes to statutes and that these revisions can be presented at any time. These changes are not a part of the Department’s proposed bills and follow a totally different enactment process than that of statutory changes. Mr. Huntsman also explained his office’s involvement in the approval process.
Mr. Schwane also noted that a major question this issue raises is whether there is public harm if there is no contemporaneous contact between the out-of-state architect and the architect licensed in Connecticut. Mr. Schwane questioned why a Connecticut licensed architect could not determine whether there are issues that need to be dealt with by reviewing the documents without contemporaneous involvement? Ms. Briggs acknowledged this question as the main issue to which she has no answer at this point in time. After more extensive discussion, Mr. Bartlett asked that Mr. Kuzmich circulate the Board meeting minutes that reflect their discussions on the revisions to the current regulations; specifically, their discussions on what “responsible charge” means. In addition, he asked that the Board members also be sent the engineering regulations.
As such, the Board postponed further discussion on the proposed changes to Regulations Section 20-289-10a(5) until their September 2004 regular meeting.
1C. Update from Mr. Steven Schwane concerning the Department of Consumer Protection’s proposed changes to the Statutes and Regulations concerning the practice of architecture. Discussion of this item is included in the discussions detailed herein under Item 1B.
1D. Correspondence received and sent by the Department of Consumer Protection concerning the Norwalk Housing Authority’s Design Competition.

Mr. Kuzmich noted that he recently spoke with Mr. Grinnell. Mr. Grinnell inquired about the approval process, on a hypothetical basis, for the licensing of a candidate they may select on the assumption that this candidate has an NCARB Certificate Record. Mr. Grinnell also questioned whether the approval process could be expedited to which Mr. Kuzmich replied absolutely not.


Mr. Jeter noted that Mr. Grinnell’s correspondence to him stated that AIA/CT was unaware of the law that requires all participants in this design competition to first be licensed in Connecticut. Mr. Jeter also acknowledged that it was AIA/CT that first brought this competition to the Board’s attention. Further, he noted that Ms. Diane Harp Jones told him that they were approached to participate in this competition and declined to do so.
After further discussion, the Board decided that no further action was needed on this item.

2. New Business
2A. Appearance before the Board by Mr. Robert M. Kliment concerning the reinstatement of his Connecticut’s Architect license; Mr. Kliment was originally licensed in Connecticut on October 19, 1979 by reciprocity with an NCARB Certificate Record (Pennsylvania). His license lapsed on June 30, 1991; for discussion and action by the Board. The Board voted, unanimously, to take this agenda item out of order. (Briggs/Hurd)
Mr. Kuzmich noted that the primary concern with this application is that there is a practice issue and that is the reason why Mr. Kliment was asked to come before the Board today. Mr. Kliment explained that this lapse is a source of tremendous embarrassment. He stated that his former office assistant that managed renewal for the office let this renewal “slip through the cracks”. It was after she had left that he realized his license lapsed when he had gone through his files.
Mr. Kliment noted that during this time he had worked on the Yale Divinity School. He further explained that his partner was licensed although it was his signature that appeared on the drawings. Mr. Kliment noted that as soon as he became aware of the lapse in his license, he immediately began the reinstatement process with the State. He noted several out-of-state projects that his office has worked on during the time his license was lapsed in Connecticut.
After more discussion, Mr. Hurd moved to approve this application with the provision that his firm prepare a statement of how they intend to monitor renewals in house in the future and mail the same to Mr. Kuzmich. Ms. Briggs seconded the motion. Mr. Hurd cited examples of similar applications the Board has reviewed in the past. He detailed their request of these firms to put in place an in-house policy that does not limit the monitoring policy of renewals to a single staff member and shows some checks and balances including firm principals involvement. Ms. Briggs emphasized Mr. Hurd’s requirement of firm principal involvement. Mr. Hurd also noted that a new license year will soon begin and reminded Mr. Kliment that his reinstatement fee may not have included this additional money. Mr. Kuzmich confirmed the same and gave a brief explanation to Mr. Kliment. As such, the Board voted unanimously, to approve this application subject to the above stated requirements. (Hurd/Briggs) It is noted that Mr. Bartlett abstained from the vote because he knows Mr. Kliment personally and has worked with him in the past.
2B. Appearance before the Board by Mr. Michael F. Cusato concerning his request to sit for the Architect Registration Examination. Mr. Cusato explained his educational history to the Board. He completed a two year Associate’s degree program and went on to complete a four year Bachelor’s degree in architectural engineering. He noted that he was misadvised by a his college guidance counselor and choose to complete a non-accredited degree in architecture unaware that an NAAB accredited degree was soon to be required by most states.
Mr. Cusato presently works at Fairfield University as Director of Campus Planning and is very involved with AIA/CT serving on the Associate’s Commission. He was made aware, in more detail, of NCARB’s requirements and these same requirements relative to licensing in Connecticut at an AIA/CT event where he spoke with an IDP advisor. It is noted that Ms. Diane Harp Jones, Executive Director of AIA/CT has submitted a letter to the Board on behalf of AIA/CT strongly supporting Mr. Cusato’s application to sit for the licensing examination.
Mr. Cusato believes that his work experience, at a minimum, equals the experience of an applicant who has completed NCARB’s Intern Development Program. He has documented his work experience in portfolio form and presented the same to the Board at today’s meeting.
Mr. Hurd noted that he has worked with Mr. Cusato as Connecticut’s IDP liaison when he first was appointed to the Board and explained his role in that position to the Board. He spoke very highly of Mr. Cusato’s intelligence and energy as exhibited in his work experience both spoken of today and illustrated in the document the Board has before them. After more discussion by the Board, they determined that Mr. Cusato’s educational background will not require a formal evaluation by NCARB. Mr. Hurd explained that the baseline in a typical architectural background is a five year degree and three years work experience. Without any formal education, the work experience requirement was thirteen years. He noted that Mr. Cusato has a four year pre-professional degree and nine years of work experience which makes Mr. Cusato more than qualified because his degree is pre-professional and under past Board rules, to qualify for the exam he would also need an additional four years of work experience.
The Board voted, unanimously, to authorize Mr. Cusato to present his work experience in the National Council of Architectural Registration Board’s Intern Development Program format prepared by the NCARB. Upon receipt of this information by the Department, Mr. Kuzmich will present this information to the Board for their review and approval. (Briggs/Mazza)
2C. The following candidates have passed the Architect Registration Examination and are recommended by the Department of Consumer Protection for licensing as architects in the State of Connecticut; the Board voted, unanimously, to approve the following individuals for licensing as architects in Connecticut: (Briggs/Bartlett)
1. Marla B. Lieberman
2. Matthew Stewart
3. William M. Thompson


2D. Applications for reciprocal licensing; the following individuals are recommended by the Department of Consumer Protection for licensing as architects in the State of Connecticut on the basis of reciprocity with an NCARB Certificate Record or by Direct Reciprocity; the Board voted, unanimously, to approve the following individuals for licensing as architects in the State of Connecticut: (Briggs/Bartlett)


1.

Armington, Stephen P.

Reciprocity w/Massachusetts

(NCARB File No. 79058)

2.

Atkin, Anthony J.

Reciprocity w/Pennsylvania

(NCARB File No. 33018)

3.

Baker, Bartlett J.

Reciprocity w/Minnesota

(NCARB File No. 104054)

4.

Baker, Richard T.

Reciprocity w/New York

Direct

5.

Baum, David C.

Reciprocity w/Wisconsin

(NCARB File No. 80994)

6.

Brown, Bryan

Reciprocity w/New York

(NCARB File No. 88678)

7.

Callahan, Brian J.

Reciprocity w/New York

(NCARB File No. 84937)

8.

DeQuattro, David L.

Reciprocity w/Rhode Island

(NCARB File No. 57671)

9.

Dyer, Jonathan

Reciprocity w/Pennsylvania

(NCARB File No. 18153)

10.

Emrich, Thomas D.

Reciprocity w/Washington

(NCARB File No. 37318)

11.

Ferrese, Vincent J.

Reciprocity w/Oregon

(NCARB File No. 64772)

12.

Gandhi, Jasbir S.

Reciprocity w/Massachusetts

Direct

13.

Graziosi, Michael

Reciprocity w/New York

(NCARB File No. 75730)

14.

Hintz, Richard S.

Reciprocity w/Minnesota

(NCARB File No. 73132)

15.

King, David R.H.

Reciprocity w/Texas

(NCARB File No. 33109)

16.

Haley, Gregory T.

Reciprocity w/Minnesota

(NCARB File No. 21687)

17.

Hirst, Enrique A.

Reciprocity w/North Carolina

(NCARB File No. 50320)

18.

Jennette, Steven C.

Reciprocity w/Vermont

Direct

19.

Johnson, Lamar A.

Reciprocity w/Illinois

(NCARB File No. 46196)

20.

Jordan, Jeffrey

Reciprocity w/New York

Direct

21.

Lavin, Donald P.

Reciprocity w/New York

(NCARB File No. 30380)

22.

Maddocks, III, John L.

Reciprocity w/New York

Direct

23.

Maira, Charles

Reciprocity w/Massachusetts

(NCARB File No. 59868)

24.

Michal, Mary F.

Reciprocity w/Illinois

(NCARB File No. 83705)

25.

Nappa, Michael C.

Reciprocity w/New York

(NCARB File No. 107096)

26.

Nealy, Craig

Reciprocity w/New York

Direct

27.

Ruehl, Christopher E.

Reciprocity w/New York

Direct

28.

Saccoccio, Mark

Reciprocity w/Massachusetts

(NCARB File No. 47739)

29.

Sadler, Gary

Reciprocity w/Massachusetts

(NCARB File No. 63195)

30.

Sereda, Mark M.

Reciprocity w/Massachusetts

(NCARB File No. 50654)

31.

Smith, Christopher T.

Reciprocity w/Vermont

(NCARB File No. 92091)

32.

Swedroe, Robert M.

Reciprocity w/Florida

(NCARB File No. 8508)

33.

Stanziale, Robert R.

Reciprocity w/New York

(NCARB File No. 49831)

34.

Tkachenko, Olexa

Reciprocity w/Colorado

(NCARB File No. 76028)

35.

Tubb, George T.

Reciprocity w/Tennessee

(NCARB File No. 30258)

36.

Wallis, James A.

Reciprocity w/Ohio

(NCARB File No. 83819)

37.

Werenfels, Martha L.

Reciprocity w/Rhode Island

(NCARB File No. 46690)

38.

Widstrom, Dana B.

Reciprocity w/Minnesota

(NCARB File No. 43352)

39.

Williams, Bruce L.

Reciprocity w/Washington

(NCARB File No. 91755)

40.

Wilson, Thomas H.

Reciprocity w/Georgia

(NCARB File No. 28796)


2E. Applications for the Corporate Practice of Architecture; the Department has reviewed and recommends for approval the following applications; the Board voted, unanimously, to approve the following applications for the corporate practice of architecture in Connecticut: (Briggs/Bartlett)
Drummey Rosane Anderson, Inc. Carl R. Franceschi, CEO

141 Herrick Road Connecticut Lic. No. 10568

Newton Centre, Massachusetts 02459
Ehrenkrantz Eckstut & Stanton Eckstut, CEO

Kuhn Architects, P.C. Connecticut Lic. No. 7709

23 East Fourth Street

New York, New York 10003


Lessard Architectural Group Inc. Christian J. Lessard, CEO

8603 Westwood Center Drive Connecticut License No. 10209

Suite 400

Vienna, Virginia 22182


Tricarico Design Group PC Nicholas J. Tricarico, CEO

500 Valley Road Connecticut License No. 5005



Wayne, New Jersey 07470
2F. "CHRO Reviews" CHRO CRITERIA PER SECTION 46a-80; none before the Board. The Chairman noted that there are no applications before the Board today.
2G. Any correspondence and/or business received in the interim.
1. Mr. Schwane introduced Ms. Vanessa Ramirez to the Board and noted that she is an attorney and legislative liaison for the Department. Ms. Ramirez stated that she asked Department Directors for suggestions for new legislation and their justification for the same. The Department hopes to strategize and prepare the best method for presenting their legislative package for the 2005 legislative session. Ms. Ramirez explained that there have been personnel changes in the makeup of some of the committees. She welcomes the Boards thoughts and ideas for the Department package and explained some proposed strategies for the Department’s submission of the same.
2. Mr. Schwane introduced several cases he is working on to the Board.
Case No. 2006-394: concerns one architect stamping another architect’s prototype building drawings and involves a statutory violation. Mr. Bartlett assisted the department with this case and both he and Mr. Schwane meet with the respondent and his attorney. Both Mr. Schwane and Mr. Bartlett agree that this architect had done a professional job doing what he needed to do. Mr. Bartlett also noted that the respondent architect was very conscientious and cooperative with the Department. The Department recommends a letter of caution be sent to the respondent. The Board voted, unanimously, to accept the Department’s recommendation. (Briggs/Hurd) It is noted that Mr. Bartlett abstained from the vote.
Case No. 2004-68443: involves an architect licensed in Connecticut and Florida who plan stamped deficient drawings in the State of Florida. Mr. Bartlett assisted the Department with this matter. Mr. Schwane explained the actions taken by the Florida Board against the licensee. The Department recommends a six month suspension of his license in Connecticut and then placed on probation for a period of time equal to that established by the Florida Board. Ms. Briggs asked that in addition, the Board should reserve the right to have any work he does during his probationary period reviewed by the Department at his expense.
Case No. 2004-67574: involves a copyright issue between two architects in Connecticut pertaining to residential work. Mr. Schwane noted that a civil action is pending on this matter. After discussion by the Board, they asked that the Department further investigate this matter to resolve various questions the Board raised today.
Case No. 2004-68445: involves an architect licensed in Florida and Connecticut. The State of Florida has taken action against this architect and has an action pending. Mr. Schwane asked for the assistance of a Board member. Mr. Jeter volunteered to help the Department.
3. Mr. Jeter updated the Board on the NCARB 2004 Annual Meeting he recently attended. He noted that among the resolutions that passed were the Model Law resolution the “Rolling Clock” resolution. He elaborated on the background leading up to the “Rolling Clock” resolution which involved brief history of the licensing examination past and present. Mr. Jeter also noted the voting outcome of the other resolutions.
Mr. Jeter stated that he forwarded Mr. Hurd’s comment’s regarding an NCARB inquiry to the appropriate personnel. He also reminded the Board

that NCARB forwards an e-mail called “Fast Facts” from Laura Redcay periodically. This e-mail is a type of on-line newsletter which highlights recent activities of the Council.


Mr. Jeter stated that notified NCARB of the problem Mr. Kuzmich noted regarding the lack of communication between NCARB staff and Interns about the Direct Registration process.
The meeting adjourned at 12:05 p.m.(Briggs/Hurd) The next regular meeting of the Architectural Licensing Board is scheduled for Friday, September 23, 2004 at 8:30 a.m.; State Office Building; Room 119; 165 Capitol Avenue, Hartford, Connecticut.

Respectfully Submitted,

Robert M. Kuzmich, R.A.

Board Administrator



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